how to prevent littermate syndrome

The vast majority of time I must say they are very well behaved pups. Rodrigo and Sydney turned 9 in March. What are your thoughts on leaving the puppies together alone in a pen vs keeping them in separate pens when we are gone to work and other lengthier periods of time? Oh and thanks for the picture. See the Littermate Syndrome dog training tips that worked for me. Which made us feel we made the right decision. What if the two littermates don’t get along so well? Each had their own crate. Each time the leashed dog doesn’t show anxiety or stress, give him a treat. Taking on littermates is not for the faint hearted, if I had known what I know now I wouldn’t have done it, but my husband and I are determined to make it work. We did these things right away with Scout and Zoey and never experienced one problem with them. With that said, according to Pat Miller writing for the Whole Dog Journal, there are things you can do to prevent or mitigate Littermate Syndrome if you’ve already brought sibling pups home with you. Already have two female standard poodle litter mates that are 11 weeks old and feel things are going pretty good. Not to mention the two male cats, and the male husband. It’s a good article, but I think you push for more people to get littermates without realizing how many people could not handle it and don’t need the encouragement. Personal training time should be seen as incredibly important in dealing with littermate syndrome because it encourages your puppies to look to you for direction, not to their sibling. . She wrote “dear Santa I want a puppy and the puppy I don’t care if it’s a boy or girl or what kind, please just give me a puppy so I can love it.” So we blindly decided to go ahead and have Sandy bring us a black lab puppy the breeder then told us that the yellow lab puppy did not have a home and would we be interested. I started debating keeping my pups together, but reading your article really made me feel better. I’m going to take your advise and take one out for a walk whilst my partner is at home with the other. Working on that, Bones, toys treat and food I do separate them. It works for us; it doesn't work for everyone. You’ll be fine. We had our fur daughter for 9 yes and she passed away last year so starting over was already scary. They had all of their shots, but hadn’t received their rabies yet, but the trainer took them anyway. Our littermates are now 6 months old. We’re lucky, because we worked as a team and we’re both committed to raising responsible dogs. We don’t regret getting liter mates. Can someone please tell me why this is? We absolutely love them, and they love us, but they have some really big problems. What did you do to put a stop to it? I am not a dog trainer or behaviorist. They will fight for dominance – we got to know their signals and we learned more about how dogs think. The goal is to keep the puppies from developing a counterproductive degree of … Rodrigo and Sydney were 8 weeks; we had 2 crates, but they were so small that we didn’t want to separate them, because they were in a new home and away from the rest of their litter. However, thinking about the death of one mate and the welfare of the surviving mate has me pretty worried for the future of our girl. As soon as we brought them home we started reading about the “horrors” and recognized our ignorance. Trainers say that littermates need to be separated because they need space and it prevents them from bonding only to each other. I always thought I had to protect them; we protect each other. I so agree with you and this can be applied to so many things in the pet world. Sure, now they are larger and it seems like all noise and teeth, but they are just doing a large version of what they did before they were weaned. I think it would be so hard on both of them because they love each other so deeply. I didn't know that when you leash up dogs for a walk and then chat for 20 minutes before you leave, the dogs will get frustrated and take it out on each other. Same litter. This is my definition. They are crate trained and we plan on getting separate crates this week. We kept in touch and when the pups were born we were given a pick of the litter. Thanks for sharing your experience with litter mates. I learned a lot and we haven’t had problems with Scout and Zoey. So not only do you need food and the traditional supplies – but you have to account for replacing destroyed things. We never separated our littermates at night, we let them decide when they were ready to sleep apart Both sets of our littermates are laying around me as I’m typing. It really depends on the breed. Hello, we adopted two very young puppies from the same litter. They often sleep in different rooms and go outside on their own without the other. We have just adpopted Littermates 12 week old, Copper (male) and Lilly (Female) and I did just like others I read the horror stories after the fact, which made me really worry. This bond and the personality traits and training challenges associated, is littermate syndrome I’d make sure that they’re fighting and not play fighting. All of your blog is spot on. PetSmart was kind enough to cover Scout's class and we covered Zoey's class. I do not offer coaching or consultations; the most I can do is share my personal experience. With 2 dogs, you have twice the chance of unanticipated injuries. Although they fought at times with each other (mainly over me), they were close and got along well. They’ve not had an accident at night since and sleep through the night every night! In many cases, littermates can grow up to lead normal, healthy lives in the same household. They were fine all 3 together for a few months and then the two started fighting. They are crate trained but both in the same crate. Littermate syndrome can be serious if you’re not experienced with raising dogs and don’t work with a dog trainer. Thank you for your direction and comments, it’s help us reaffirm that we made a good choice. Again I thank u for your help. Two mom’s and three pups…got them from my cousins. We have done everything that has been suggested and it has made all the difference in the world. We are still working on acquainting them with other dogs but they are getting better with each socialization class. On days they are home afternoon hike to the woods is together. They were 5 months old rescues, etc. PetSmart puppy class is $110 per puppy for six weeks and we share the trainer with other puppies. My advice to anyone getting litter mates as family’s pets is too have them all spayed and neutered together. The one recommendation I have for anyone with littermates is to hire a dog trainer. I have always trained them, along with many of my family members. I think humans (especially those inexperienced in reading dog behavior and dog “signals” and body language) mistake “wrestling and rumbling” for “fighting”. But don’t let anyone come between Flash and his mama (me) or he’ll tear you apart. Learning basic coping mechanisms and picking up on important human–canine communication signals is difficult or impossible for them. When my friend brings over his male chihuahua-mix, my three huge dogs submit to the chihuahua! Anyway, thank you again for this site. And we haven't taken a vacation away – together – from our dogs since we brought them home several years ago because it's hard to find a pet sitter who can handle so many dogs and we don't trust kennels. i am bringing home siblings this week. First of all I’d like to thank you so much for your wonderful entry. Best of luck with your trainer. It’s nice to get a fresh perspective like yours on littermate syndrome. It’s not possible to definitively tell people when they’re out of the woods because every dog is different and every household is different. They’re crated separately, potty trained separately, fed separately, and have play time/walks separately as well as together. There is some really good info here! The title of this post is a bit strong, but I do want to caution people from adopting two dogs from the same litter because “it’s easier” to raise two at once (ask someone with twins if it’s easier than having one child) or “we don’t want our dog to be lonely.” (Because you might be if the dogs are so enchanted with each other that they ignore you). Hi Christal – the best way to correct the behavior is to work with a professional dog trainer. It’ll work their brains and bodies while helping you set boundaries and establish leadership. But as with all junk science, there is plenty of anecdotal "evidence" to back it up. The berners never fight. Oops, didn’t mean to put a question mark after that first sentence. They eat from the same bowl, they don’t fight over toys or treats. I have had many dogs over decades and bred collies and dachshunds and never experienced this. One male and one female. We do know a trainer, and we will be talking to her soon This can happen, but if you follow the golden rule of aggressive breeds. littermates are expensive; many people make the mistake in their logic that two puppies equate to 2x the cost – it's significantly more with toys, food, supplies, vet bills, training and more. I have had two dogs before but last time one was 2 years old the other a puppy and in that case we had no issues. Avoiding Littermate Syndrome is best! I am trying to give my pet sitter one of them but I am sitting here crying as I am typing this. I wrote on your Facebook page, but I’ll also say a comment here. Our dogs definitely have a hierarchy and it’ll be interesting to see if it remains. Best of luck! . Anyone had experience with two unrelated male dogs being brought into a home as puppies? Our kids go to school at 8 and the reason we are planning on getting littermates is that we thought it would be better for one dog to have some company that stay alone for 6 hours. If by the time that you read this you’re having big issues it will just take time …. I think the time they take to really analyze their buyers is what makes their success rate very high. But that is in a perfect world. I have four dogs, two sets of littermates. Today I have 3 dogs in the house and they are all doing well, but I still wonder what it would have been like if I brought home Linus and one of his siblings. Just do this for 10-15 minutes a day to help show him that it’s okay. Yes I enrolled the puppies at petco they day after I brought them home! I know you posted this in reply to Bethany, but I had some ideas so I hope you don’t mind me butting in. Coyotes don’t come on our property anymore . The females boss the male around just a bit but he is very protective of them. I still have the older of the two, he is 14, and all three males get along great. Scout and Zoey are 5-1/2 years old. They are both progressing in their training (my husband and I train them separately). I’m determined to make it work and home all summer to see it through. It gave our dogs comfort to know what was expected of them. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for the positive feedback. The first one Rihanna is a beautiful full blooded chihuahua. The pups sleep on the same bed overnight but during the day sleep separately with us on the sofa. Two of our English Shepherds are brothers and one is a half brother. We hope to change the sleeping arrangements very soon. I wish I had more space so that I could provide that for my dogs. It takes a lot of time, work, budgeting (we’re not rich), and patience. if you have recommendations for books, trainers, or other resources, i’d love to get some information from you. So…in the process of trying to lessen his anxiety but with cold Midwest winters we don’t get out for much of the year. LOL. I would love to talk to you about littermates if you’re ever interested. When we have them out one at a time they are all cuddles and fun, but then the other starts whining. We put a deposit on both of them and waited until they were old enough to be brought home with us. The best advice I have for anyone who has littermates is to work with a qualified dog trainer/behaviorist. Our girls add something to my life that I don't want to be without. Where do you live? I did spay and neuter all of our dogs, because I don’t want them to have puppies. Any thoughts on that? They are the most obedient, well trained loving dogs. They are not home with us yet, but I be been reading and I completely freaked out, doubting our decision to bring two home. I think littermate syndrome has more to do with people biting off more than they can chew when they bring home two puppies; not understanding how much work is involved. I say that now. When they would fight, it was because of something I did or failed to do. We’re already attending a together-training class, and I have separate training classes scheduled for them next week. I have successfully raised two sets of littermates and have not witnessed or experienced littermate syndrome. He is well trained and we have had no behavioral issue with him. You sound like me. I am elderly with high bloodpressure, have never raised a dog from a puppy (I always inherited the dogs the kids left when they left home) and am really scared for the safety of N who is so sweet and docile. They’re both still alive. Two puppies being raised together were fighting. It’s nice to know that we weren’t just lucky. 9 Things I Learned About the Dog Lover Community, What Raw Feeders Need to Know About Air Dried Bones. So gorgeous. Pet stores allow dogs and in our town, Home Depot allows dogs too. Many of the cases I see involve dogs that cannot be separated even for the time it takes to take one for a walk. I’m from the UK so I will look locally to see if there are any puppy trainers around in case we do need them. I personally don’t believe in separating littermate puppies. Like most behaviors, there are many ways that you can prevent or lessen the effects of littermate syndrome. I’m not 100% sold on the idea that having littermates is a puppy problem but perhaps a first time puppy owner/seasoned owner problem . It means a lot. Thank You, I just don’t know if or when it’s right to do it? They are working on “Come”, “Sit” and “Stay”. It can be overwhelming at times, but it’s going to be fun too. That hasn’t been my experience. I think with everything dogs, it’s all about education; we need to do more sharing and less scare tactics. I felt that they were in a new place and they had each other for security. During this time we met a lady, on line, that lived some 250 miles away that had a mini that was accidentally pregnant. Any advice on that would be great. It’s an all natural supplement made from sheep’s milk that helps calm anxiety. Have a good night Kimberly. The easiest way to prevent littermate syndrome is to only take one puppy at a time. I know for some that it’s the only option, but for us, we worked hard to make it work and it really was all about training ourselves. Prince was depressed and felt lost for awhile after his brother died but he has adjusted. The dogs would go for walks together (I would walk them together), and they would occasionally play together, but otherwise Bella would be much more interested in being with me and Jack would be with my mom or brother more than me. (I just read about the term in a novel). I’m behind too – 150 blog posts behind. Thank you for the tips and positive perspectives! Once this passes she is fine. I read a story of the owners watching the mate lay on the grave all day of its mate, did they not engage with the pet and get her active and try to stop that behavior? I love all my dogs, I spend time with each of them and my husband and I nurture and act as the leaders in the house. "Littermate Syndrome" refers to any undesired behavior expressed by a pet (usually a dog) that was raised with another animal from its own litter. I don’t know why, because the rest of the time he is perfectly normal. I think we won’t have an issues with having two at the same time, but it’s reassuring to hear that it has been done and can be done and be done successfully. (we previously had 3 dogs not litter mates purchased within 2 years of each other. One is a red Merle Min pin and the other is a chocolate Merle Min pin. 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